What if the key to transforming healthcare lies in truly listening to the patient? In this episode, Dr. Kenneth Sharlin takes us on a captivating journey from his roots in traditional neurology to founding a holistic, patient-centered institute. With a perfect blend of humor and professionalism, he reveals his dissatisfaction with conventional healthcare and the powerful impact of focusing on patients’ stories and lifestyle changes. Dr. Sharlin shares his entrepreneurial journey, driven by a passion for merging narrative and science to pioneer a new approach to treating cognitive diseases.
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Key Takeaways from this Episode
- The evolution of patient-centered care in neurology
- The impact of lifestyle on cognitive diseases like Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s
- The journey from traditional practice to founding a holistic institute
- Strategies for heart-led business success in the healthcare industry
About the Guest
Unlock the power of your brain with Dr. Ken Sharlin, a visionary neurologist and functional medicine expert. Host of The Healthy Brain Toolbox podcast bestselling author of The Healthy Brain Toolbox and co-author of Neurishment, Dr. Sharlin blends cutting-edge research with compassionate care. With elite training from Emory, UVA, and Vanderbilt, he’s dedicated to empowering you to protect your brain, conquer challenges, and thrive with his transformative Brain Tune Up! program. 🧠✨
Additional Resources
- Website: www.functionalmedicine.doctor
- Instagram: www.instagram.com/sharlinhealthandneurology
- LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/drkensharlin
- Youtube: www.youtube.com/@dr.kensharlin1548/videos
- Book: The Healthy Brain Toolbox
- Email: callie@sharlinfxmed.com
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Speaker: 0:01
Welcome to the Heart Led Business Show, where compassion meets commerce and leaders lead with love. Join your host, Tom Jackobs, as he delves into the insightful conversations with visionary business leaders who defy the status quo, putting humanity first and profit second. From heartfelt strategies to inspiring stories, this podcast is your compass in the world of conscious capitalism. So buckle up and let’s go. Let your heart guide your business journey.
Tom Jackobs: 0:39
Well, ladies and gents, fasten your seatbelts. We’re about to embark on a brain tastic quest with the neurology Nobel himself, Dr. Kenneth Sharlin. This brainy buff built a business bubbling with heart. A marvelous medical mission molding minds in Ozark, Missouri. We’re diving deep into his journey on today’s episode of the Heart Led Business Show. So stay tuned for some cognitive cocktails of charisma. So welcome to the show, Dr. Sharlin.
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 1:05
Thank You. That is the most poply introduction I`ve ever received. Thankyou so much.
Tom Jackobs: 1:11
You’re welcome. We need to get those brains, like expanding. I know you’re the expert on that but first, before we get into that, tell us what’s your definition of a heart led business.
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 1:20
Well, as you pointed out, I am a neurologist. I own what we are about to sort of slightly rebrand as Shoreline Neurology and Neuroscience Institute to bring all of the different parts of our entities together. But it, and it is in some senses. A medical clinic, but it really is a lot more than that. So to answer your question as succinctly as possible, I think we almost have to step back and look at what the state of health care looks like in the United States. And there’s tremendous amount of dissatisfaction. There’s a burnout among doctors, there’s dissatisfaction with the 3rd party payers, the insurance companies, many more doctors are actually leaving the profession than entering it. A lot of Patients, really clients, we are clients to our own health care system, are very unhappy and you can see that, of course, in Google reviews and other places where people leave their experience of going to the doctor or accessing the health care system in other ways. One of the important phrases that has really come about, with changes to medicine in the 21st century is patient centered care. And I think in many ways, patient centered care, as opposed to disease centered care, really answers your question about a heart centered business. In the sense that I, as a doctor, I’m a neurologist, so I see conditions like Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis. Of course, I have to understand these conditions. I have to be able to diagnose, if you will. And the diagnosis, at least initially, is disease centered. But my goal in Hanging the Shingle is to move away from all of these things I’ve just mentioned and to create a business around the idea that at the end of the day, it’s the patient, their narrative, their unique story, if you will, that brings them in and that my goal is to help them understand, not just, you know, the diagnosis and what drug I’m going to give them, because frankly, I don’t always treat with drugs. Sometimes I do, of course but to really, truly understand that narrative as to how did I get here? How did this happen? And what’s keeping me on that trajectory? So to do that, we have to return to the unique narrative that is the patient, and at the center of the narrative, certainly, is that heartfelt experience.
Tom Jackobs: 3:39
That’s quite a mission, especially the condition that the healthcare system is in right now in the U. S. So, by putting the patient first, if you’re a traditional doctor in the traditional insurance model, does that, can that even happen?
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 3:53
I think it is challenging for doctors who are exclusively in the traditional insurance model, but I’ll be happy in a moment to offer a few suggestions, perhaps if you do have some doctors listening that want to introduce some of these strategies into their practice. What we’ve tried to do here is actually provide a hybrid service. Because in the end, this is a service industry, right? And so, service industry really means that you’re buying someone’s expertise and you’re buying their time. And too often we hear the cliche, well, I went to the doctor, they spent five minutes with me, they didn’t examine me, I had an opportunity to ask one question or no questions at all. Maybe sometimes, I know of a local clinic where It’s a specialty clinic and the patients go there for the first time and they don’t even see the doctor for goodness sake. So it is true that time truly is money. Money is what keeps all of our doors open. And so we do charge for our services, but we try to make sure that people experience, again, heartfelt, experience that value. So at the end of the day, whether they’re paying by check or credit card or whatever it is, they know that It has been worth their investment.
Tom Jackobs: 5:05
And I think that’s true for any business, especially heart led and service based businesses tend to be a little bit higher on the heart led scale or tend to be more heart led businesses that are service based. With that, and you early on you’d spoke about the Google reviews and I’m sure like doctors in that traditional insurance model aren’t used to having to manage now Google reviews on top of everything else that’s going on in terms of just getting that feedback about, are you heart centered? Are you really? On my side and my advocate for my own health. And that’s hard to see. And I’m really glad that you’re on the show today too, because I think just in our interactions over the last couple of years, you know, just seeing your practice and the types of transformations that you’re able to have because of that hybrid model, I think, correct me if I’m wrong, but what you’re able to get really great results with people that probably, if they went the traditional route, probably would still be suffering with many of these really awful
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 6:05
diseases.. Yeah, Actually had some very spectacular results and it’s sort of been bang lately in terms of some big announcements that I’m looking forward to putting out there. Maybe with your help, hopefully, do some press releases, but we are very proud. We work with complex chronic diseases. Affecting the brain. And as early as 2018, my group published a paper called Reversal of Cognitive Decline, 100 patients. These were not exclusively our patients, but about a third were with all the other authors contributing five here, ten here. We had over 35 patients in that case series, but it was the largest case series ever published where we use therapeutic lifestyle medicine strategies to improve cognitive functioning in people who had Alzheimer’s disease. And bottom line is it worked in a disease where people would say there’s nothing that you can do about it. And that’s in fact, a tagline of the Alzheimer’s association. We were showing that no, in fact, you can improve cognitive function when we pay attention to some key things that are well within our control. So we’ve continued that type of work, and we see that with Parkinson’s, we see it with multiple sclerosis, and we’ve even seen it with as devastating a diseases.
Tom Jackobs: 7:15
Wow. That, I mean, that’s really great news. And so what percentage of that is lifestyle and kind of outside of what you know, insurance would necessarily pay for?
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 7:24
Tossed about, so I can’t take credit for it, that genetics sort of load the gun, but lifestyle and environment pull the trigger. And that is absolutely true. And again, what we really try to do is provide evidence based medicine. So I realize there are many sort of versions of holistic practices out there but. We want to reassure folks that everything we’re doing is based on peer reviewed published literature. It’s just that, unfortunately, not you know, as it were, the industry is usually, what, 10 or 15 years behind. But even someone as well known in the area of lifestyle medicine as Dr. Dean Ornish, one of the founders and pioneers of lifestyle medicine, whose work has been shown to reverse everything from prostate cancer to heart disease recently published his own case series showing that this type of approach can reverse the symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease. What is particularly exciting though, Tom, is that and again, I wish I were the first, but in a way, I’m glad I’m the second here that we are now able to show that not only can we improve symptoms, but we can reverse pathology. And Dr. Richard Isaacson, who formerly was head of the Cornell Alzheimer’s disease prevention center in New York city, and then moved to be closer to his brother, who’s Stuart Isaacson, who’s a big Parkinson’s expert at Florida Atlantic University. He was all over the news in the last couple of months with a case that he was involved with. Now, these are what we call N of 1. These are individuals, of course, but he used a test that we were very involved in validating called the Pressivity AD2 test, and that’s a blood test to actually identify whether someone has the biological markers, the changes in the brain, that are associated with Alzheimer’s disease. Now, this test primarily has been used diagnostically, but what Dr. Isaacson showed is it can actually be used to track progress over time. So it’s a very simple test, I mean there’s complexities of course, but understanding that basically you have a score of 0 to 100, where greater than 45 is consistent with the diagnosis of Alzheimer’s disease. And then when you get into the high you know, like 90s range, what we call the test probability, meaning how accurate the test is. It’s already about 86 percent accurate. When you get into those 90s, you’re about a 96 percent accuracy rate. You can actually show the number, what’s called an amyloid probability score, or APS, go down and down. And down and what Dr Isaacson showed is that his patient who followed this type of plan that we use very similarly in our institute can actually reverse their Alzheimer’s. We now have the 2nd case report not published yet, but what I love about it is we can sit around all day and say, ah, you know, I have a magic wand and I reverse Alzheimer’s disease. And that’s of course, you know. That’s a lot of hot air, but at any rate what we’re so proud of is, and this one was all, I don’t, I want to really kind of almost fully admit that this was almost by accident, except that the patient really was in our brain tune up program, our branded program. But she initially came in, concerns over cognitive decline. She had the blood test confirming the diagnosis. She initiated the program. Within about five months, there was an unrelated reason that she needed to have a spinal fluid test. And her husband said, while we’re doing that, what would be your thought about rechecking those biological markers? And yeah, sure, why not? That’d be interesting. So let’s do that. And she was doing well. Her scores were going up anyway, so we knew she was doing well, but You know, there’s this whole concept of sort of resilience and plasticity, and are we sort of tapping into our brain’s potential, or are we actually reversing the disease? Well, her follow up spinal fluid test. Basically was negative. And I said, wow, okay I’m shocked. And so, I said, well, how would you feel about repeating the blood test as kind of a confirmation? And in fact we did, and her probability score, remember, 0 to 100, started at 95, and on repeat it was 50. Which is just five points above the negative. So, and consistent with what the spinal fluid showed, which showed that she had dramatically improved her biomarker status. Although there was a touch of evidence that she still had a little bit of the amyloid protein, but another protein called tau, which is a marker of nerve cell destruction, had actually gone down to the normal range.
Tom Jackobs: 11:59
Oh, wow. That’s amazing. I mean, that’s giving people tons of hope as well. That’s, awesome. So, let’s shift gears a little bit and let’s talk about you and what inspired you to go into neurology and open a business, a hybrid business of all things. And you know, tell us about that journey for you.
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 12:16
Well, as you can already tell, I’m a little long winded, so I won’t go through that. And there’s always longer stories, but I’ll try to give you a few interesting points. I’m a I guess a second generation American, where my father was born in the United States. His name is David Sharlin, and he’s now a happily retired pediatrician in Mercer County, New Jersey, that his father was named Hiller, and my grandfather, Hiller Sharlin H. M. as he was called in business, I recently found out, actually he came across the ocean through Ellis Island at a very young age, accompanied by his grandfather. Really, his grandfather came to the U S first established a business, which was a baby carriage business and trend to New Jersey. And then brought his family over to the land of hope, of course. And he raised his family. Ultimately, this as my grandfather became a young man this was about the time of the Great Depression, and the baby carriage business was morphed, if you will, into a lighting company, a local retail fixture company. And then my grandfather, who took it over, and it also survived the Depression, it became known Sharlin Light Corporation of America with Brighten Your Nights with Sharlin Lights as the motto. So I suppose entrepreneurialism was always in my blood. I was very close to my grandfather. He’s certainly a role model. But my father’s also a physician, so I was influenced by him. And then I was influenced by other things, like I was not a science nerd. I was actually a book nerd. And I loved to read. That’s why I liked your Charles Dickens esque introduction. And eventually read a book by the great neurologist, now deceased, Dr. Oliver Sacks. And he wrote a book called The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat. And at that moment, I saw a way to weave narrative and story into science and the application of all of those principles into the practice of medicine. And I felt that neurology really sort of Bent my imagination with how we as human beings really experience and perceive the world. And I thought that was the right way for me to bring all of these interests together. So I Went to medical school, graduated from Emory University, ultimately trained at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, and joined a private practice where I thought, this is it. I’m gonna be an entrepreneur, and I’m gonna be a neurologist. And I did learn a lot to the credit of the doctor that hired me, but ultimately that practice wasn’t a good fit, and I moved to the Southwest Missouri area, where unfortunately, well, for better or worse, these are our life narratives, got rather entrenched as an employed physician, which is where, of course, a lot of the burnout is. Fast forward, eventually getting interested in the application of lifestyle through my own pursuits and triathlon and marathons and knowing that, you know, you don’t just one day go and complete an Ironman Triathlon, you have to think about sleep and nutrition and movement and all of those things. And so I was changing my body, my health, but I was going to the office and giving people drugs to take care of the side effects of other drugs and watching them, you know, swirl the drain. So that’s kind of how it evolved. And I just knew it at a certain point that all of this had to stop. It had to change. And I left my place of employment and started Sharlan Health and Neurology.
Tom Jackobs: 15:39
Awesome. And how long have you had the business?
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 15:42
We opened our doors in November 2015. That’s when things started. We launched our brain tune up program within about a month. I was in that process. I’d become certified in functional medicine through the Institute for Functional Medicine. So all the pieces started to come together and then very quickly the business grew and we added clinical research, on site imaging, regenerative medicine. A whole host. We have Charlotte Health Neuro Fitness. We have seven entities in all. I even managed to squeeze out a Amazon best selling book in the interim. So, with all of those, it became clear that it was confusing to the consumer, and we needed to bring it together under one roof. It is already under one roof, but we needed to rename the entity or rebrand the entity into the institute.
Tom Jackobs: 16:28
I like that new brand branding as well. That really brings together the clinical, but also the more research based that things that you do as well. So that’s good. I mean, it resonates resonates with me anyway. sounds good. So in, starting the business, I’m sure it wasn’t all rainbows and butterflies throughout. So creating a heart led business. It could be a little bit different than a profit led business from time to time. So what type of pleasant surprises and some not so pleasant surprises came up in those early days, or even now, as it might happen by leading with your heart versus just focusing on profit and seeing as many patients as possible and just being. basically a pill mill
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 17:05
of course. Well, probably like 95 percent of other physicians, we’re not educated in sales and marketing. In fact, sales sort of, you know, probably not to your eye, and I hope we get to talk about that, but to the non inexperienced, let’s just put it that way, non indoctrinated physician sort of feels yucky, right? It feels like the used car salesman. And so we of course have to wrap our brains around the narrative because in the end, if, you know, if you’re an entrepreneur and you’re not generating income for your business, I mean, you might have investors, but eventually your investors are going to start tapping the table saying where’s the, you know, where’s the profit because you can’t pay your bills. I got to pay you, Tom. I mean, I got to pay you. So, that, that can be a problem. But as you know, in this, at the center of a heartfelt business, it really at the center of all entrepreneurialism and all businesses, ideally, and certainly the ones that survive is the fact that we are bringing value to our customers. And we start thinking about value and I couldn’t agree, you know, heart led is what you may feel, but heart led is what I do, right? So when I enter the room with that heart led business perspective as a physician, as an integrated medicine doctor, as a researcher, people feel that, they know that, and of course we make decisions with our hearts more often than with our heads, and so when they feel that, and they know that, that’s where the magic starts to happen.
Tom Jackobs: 18:29
Absolutely. Yeah. When you can automatically tell when a salesperson or a non salesperson, but somebody that’s selling you something is uncomfortable with that whole sales experience or is only interested in themselves, it really does come through. And when you lead with your heart, and that’s, I mean, the subject of my book, right, Selling with Heart, is all about changing that perspective about who you’re talking to. You’re not there to sell somebody something, but rather, you’re there to see if you can help them solve a problem. And by shifting that perspective, it opens up that prospect and sitting in front of you to say, yeah, I don’t know, like if you can help me and I don’t know if I can help you. And it becomes this almost like a brainstorming session to see if you both can help each other, which is really a beautiful thing. Is that similar to how you approach your sales?
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 19:20
A hundred percent. It, it, you know, and the complexities of what we do from kind of a sales perspective, it’s almost like, maybe you don’t speak French and you know, decide to go to the Olympics, which may not be the best analogy’cause it’s probably plenty of people who speak English at such an international event. But my point is that it. We have this sort of language of medicine that we expect. I go to the doctor does tests, they make a diagnosis, they give me medicine or refer me to a surgeon eventually I get a bill, I might have a co pay, I might have a deductible, but the reality is I sort of feel like someone else is taking responsibility for the business aspect and that is the third party payer. So, to shift thinking and say, wait a minute you’re charging me for this? You know, that there’s a fee involved that I have to, you know? So you have to bring people into the fold. As you know, in many aspects of business, we have to provide what we would call sort of pre education. We have to get out there through social media. through blogging, through podcasts and without any strings attached. We’re not in here to sell anybody anything. We have to provide information because in the end, this is really a trans theoretical engagement where people go from this wasn’t even in my sphere. I did, I had no idea this existed to that’s kind of interesting to, you know what? I’m, I could do, you know, give that some serious thought to engaging and then no, I’m going to do it. I’ve got the plane tickets. I’ve got, you know, the hotel room because people come from all over the world to our clinic to I’m here. I’m ready to go. Let’s do this. We’re starting. Right. And that’s a process that you have to take people through very often. Yeah,
Tom Jackobs: 21:00
Yeah, and that’s a much longer process than if somebody’s sick, goes to a clinic, gets some pills and then goes home and somewhat recovers, right? Because it’s a sick model versus a health model. And so how long do you think it takes to pre educate somebody before they’re able to fully, like on average shift their thinking from sick to health model?
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 21:21
Of course, the answer is, it depends and pain points are a reality for all of us. What makes us ultimately pivot and make the decision if you talk to Kaylee Maggard, my functional medicine coordinator and chief operations officer, you, of course, you know extremely well, she would say that our Parkinson’s patients tend to have kind of a longer conversion process because a lot of times you could be pretty functional with Parkinson’s, and so they don’t necessarily feel the urgency. On the other hand, if you have an Alzheimer’s or an ALS diagnosis that may be a much more urgent sense that we’ve got to do something. And I do have the good fortune of not only working with someone like yourself and putting out all that information for folks. But I have a few close colleagues who have very large mailing lists, very large reaches, and don’t actually directly work with patients. So when people reach out to them, very often they’re saying, Sharlin is the man, go see him. And that would include my friend Dr. Terry Walls. Where my work over the years off and on with Dr. Dale Bredesen who have huge spheres of influence in Alzheimer’s and multiple sclerosis. So again it does depend and some people really grew up in families where, by the way, I’m not against chiropractors or anything when I say this, but you know, their families would typically go to more holistic practitioners like chiropractors or naturopaths or whatever. So that line of thinking is perhaps more intuitive to them to come see me cause they always did this sort of thing. But for the person who’s never been in, in sort of exposed to these principles, it is a longer journey.
Tom Jackobs: 22:56
Yeah, for sure. And so that makes it tough as a heart led business to then really run the business and make a profit in doing it. But let’s, speaking of profit, a lot of heart led business owners. Fear or afraid of making a profit as appearing too greedy or not following their heart, what type of advice would you give to somebody that might be struggling with, you know, being able to make money in their business, in their heart led business and being okay with the fact that you’re making money doing it.
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 23:27
Well, I think first of all, you have to ask what is that money actually doing for you? So, you know, I started this business nine years ago. I’ll turn 60 this December. My children are grown up. Everybody’s through college and often their own lives, right? So it’s just my wife and I are various pets that we have in our home. You know, so I’ve had my opportunity as a physician to earn. Fairly, you know, a typical we don’t need to get into numbers, but what you might typically see for a neurologist. So for me, even that, that money, that income is not what I’m putting in the bank. I mean, of course I have to have, I have to earn a living, I have to eat, I have to pay my mortgage payment, things like that, but it’s not. You know, beyond that sort of scraping the icing off the cake, so to speak, from my business to load up my bank account is definitely not the goal. The goal is very business centered. It’s very focused on what my vision is, what I want to accomplish here. And so, you know, reinvestment saying, you know, when we’re profitable. It’s opportunities to grow, it’s opportunities to improve, it’s opportunities to explore new service lines. So I really, by not putting myself at the center of all that, it’s easy because I know that I need the income to do all of those things for my business and ultimately for the people that I serve.
Tom Jackobs: 24:52
I think that’s worth repeating as well. So putting yourself and not putting yourself at the center of the business, but rather as part of the business, if I understood you properly and putting the people that are working for you and the people that are coming to see you as a service, putting them as the center can help you. Then reinvest in that business and help more people and scale and grow and ultimately create this spiral effect of you know, helping and scaling tons and tons of people that need the help, which is really a very heart led when it comes to it, because you are helping more people so that I love that advice. Thank you for sharing that with the audience. There are other doctors on here that are listening that might be struggling with going from a traditional insurance model to, you know, cash pay or more of a functional medicine or integrative medicine type of model and knowing that it is possible to do that. I think it’s great and you’re a good example of somebody that’s been able to do that.
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 25:46
They can explore everything from the sort of the growing concierge model that allows them to spend more time with patients, or if they’re going to stick. still within the traditional medical third party payer model, they can bill for time and they can include some of the lifestyle medicine information. I had a doctor call me who’s fairly fresh out of residency, a gynecological surgeon. So she deals with breast cancer, uterine cancer, things like that. And since, you know, I’m deep in debt I’m employed. So I don’t have as much flexibility deep in debt, because medical school is very expensive these. I just, you know, I need something sort of to, you know, sort of that mind, body, spirit. I need something to grasp on to that. fulfills me beyond knowing that I’ve, you know, removed the pathology, so to speak. And that’s, of course, important. And I said, you know, for example and this is another classic sort of entrepreneurial tip that we’re all aware of it’s that get good at one thing, you know, and I said, you could, for example, educate your patients on breathwork. Because the data, the science behind breathing, something as simple as balancing your nervous system through breath work, has been shown to improve surgical outcomes and cancer outcomes dramatically. And if you can take five minutes and just be with your patient, and breathe with them, and show them how to do it, and put your hand on their heart, or have them, and put their own hand on their heart while they’re doing this and then make sure that they understand some very basic principles of how they can incorporate this and practice this. It will change their lives. Something as simple as just breathing. So it can be done and it doesn’t have to cost anything.
Tom Jackobs: 27:30
Oh, that’s, great. That’s really cool. That’s good. Good advice and a good use of five minutes of the doctor’s time with the patient as well to add that more value. Dr. Shirelin, thank you so much for being on the show, but before we in the show, how can people learn more about you and the clinic and the, I’m sorry, the institute and everything
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 27:49
Well, we are launching a URL that is charlainstitute. com, but until then, we have functionalmedicine. doctor. Of course, doctor is spelled out. And that is our main clinic website. We have a lot of other offerings for people looking for research and regenerative medicine. But if they start at functionalmedicine. doctor, of course, all the other entities are connected and they’ll be able to find their way around. And they can, if they wish, sign up online and schedule a complimentary telephone call with my team so we can learn more about them and see if there’s a way that we can help.
Tom Jackobs: 28:27
Awsome. Thanks for sharing that and we`ll link that up show notes as well. And again, thank you so much for taking your time today. I really appreciate the stories and the advice that you shared. I learned some new things about you and that your grandfather came over through Ellis Island. My grandfather did that as well from different country. It came from Syria, but all the way over through Ellis Island. So it’s nice to get that cool connection there
Dr.Kenneth Sharlin: 28:51
wonderful. Well, thank you for having me. Thank you for having me.
Tom Jackobs: 28:53
Absolutely. And to our show listeners and those watching on YouTube as well. Thank you so much for watching today’s episode. And we really do appreciate it. Make sure you’re checking out everything that Dr. Sharlin is doing. And we’ve provided all of that down in the show notes. So make sure you check that out. And I know all of our show guests really like it when you connect with them on social media. So make sure you’re doing that as well. And if you could do me a solid favor, if you liked this episode, share it out to some friends and family members that could use the advice that was shared on today’s show. And until next time. Lead with your heart.
Speaker 2: 29:26
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